diff --git a/data/pages/posts/julius-pringles.md b/data/pages/posts/julius-pringles.md index b7e1c51..f82a804 100644 --- a/data/pages/posts/julius-pringles.md +++ b/data/pages/posts/julius-pringles.md @@ -1,20 +1,20 @@ ### [Citogenesis](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:List_of_citogenesis_incidents) gone... right? -I remember his name for the first time and having ths probably intended "huh, that's odd" reaction a long time ago. If you look at the Wikipedia article for [Pringles](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pringles) and search for "Julius", it should be relatively easy to not only find his name, but also validate this claim through a citation linking to an [Official document](https://s1.q4cdn.com/243145854/files/doc_financials/2021/ar/Kellogg-Company_AR_2022_Bookmarked.pdf) by Kellogg Company, the owners of the Pringles brand. +I remember his name for the first time and having ths probably intended "huh, that's odd" reaction a long time ago. If you look at the Wikipedia article for [Pringles](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pringles) and search for "Julius", it should be relatively easy to not only find his name, but also validate this claim through a citation linking to an [official document](https://s1.q4cdn.com/243145854/files/doc_financials/2021/ar/Kellogg-Company_AR_2022_Bookmarked.pdf) by Kellogg Company, the owners of the Pringles brand. -![Julius Pringles. probably](/data/images/pringles.png) +![Pringles logo](/data/images/pringles.png) -With an official source, numerous additional articles, and many other trusted sources dated before the current cited PDF, this should have *absolutely nothing* to do with [citogenesis](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:List_of_citogenesis_incidents) as mentioned above, but as it turns out, it just *might*. +This should be the end of the story, an odd name for an odd character, on a product oddly compared to potato chips, that's just good marketting. It is not hard to confirm this name comes directly from the Kellogg company. But there is one small question, where did it come from? ![A random Twitter user named "Platypus Man" asks "Crazy name, how'd you come up with it? He your founder or something?"](/data/images/crazy_name_pringles.png) -A quick web search will show you [many](https://www.bakeryandsnacks.com/Article/2021/09/22/Julius-Pringles-gets-a-makeover-to-celebrate-brands-30th-birthday-in-the-UK) [many](https://www.buckinghamshirelive.com/whats-on/food-drink/pringles-mascot-julius-gets-new-5942616) [many](https://www.rd.com/article/pringles-man/) [many](https://retroist.com/what-is-the-name-of-the-pringles-mascot/) [many](https://consequence.net/2020/12/pringles-mascot-john-oliver/) [many](https://www.yahoo.com/video/real-true-history-julius-pringles-131830442.html) (although this last one *did* skeptically refer to his name, maybe they almost fell down this rabbit hole?) more reasons to assure yourself this isn't some corporate cockup, but it still might be worth looking deeper. There was even a Jeopardy question (answer?) concreting this fact! +A quick web search will show you [many](https://www.bakeryandsnacks.com/Article/2021/09/22/Julius-Pringles-gets-a-makeover-to-celebrate-brands-30th-birthday-in-the-UK) [many](https://www.buckinghamshirelive.com/whats-on/food-drink/pringles-mascot-julius-gets-new-5942616) [many](https://www.rd.com/article/pringles-man/) [many](https://retroist.com/what-is-the-name-of-the-pringles-mascot/) [many](https://consequence.net/2020/12/pringles-mascot-john-oliver/) [many](https://www.yahoo.com/video/real-true-history-julius-pringles-131830442.html) (though one may wonder why the last article is so skeptical of the name) more reasons to assure yourself this is *definitely* real. There was even a Jeopardy question (answer?) concreting his name! ![Jeopardy query reading: "Julius is the first name of the mustached man on cans of these chips"](/data/images/pringles_jeopardy.l.png) I know it might be more normal for me to write about my weird tech hacks, or at least something vaguely related to my area of expertise, but I found this just interesting enough and digging up weird things is *always* enticing to me. -It was a normal 4AM on a Friday, when I spent a few seconds to check Twitter, and by random chance, I found a completely unverified, relatively unpopular, unaccredited tweet, making a mind-blowing claim. For a brief second, I thought to myself, and wondered if it were actually true, *what if*... But convincing me that the now-official name "Julius Pringles" was absolutley nothing more than a prank of a well-humored teenager is *not* going to be that easy. If I was going to trust Twitter over any other documentation, why wouldn't I trust [this tweet](https://twitter.com/Pringles_UK/status/1504474540570685448) by Pringles themselves, confirming his name? +I was browinsg a Bird Website™ briefly when I came across the weirdest claim I have perhaps ever seen in my life, it was what appeared at first to be some classic internet hyperbole, a claim along the lines of "The birds work for the bourgeoisie". This time, a user was claiming to be the author of Mr Pringles' first name, although entirely by accident, while trolling on Wikipedia. I almost dismissed it, but I at least wanted to deconfirm it first, so that in case this became a popular myth I could help dispel it. It appeared that this user had posted about this a few times, but why would I trust [their tweet](https://twitter.com/Platypus222/status/1219677784919986176) instead of [the official Pringles Twitter](https://twitter.com/Pringles/status/948316144372416513) helping bring us back to reality, and remind us that this claim is silly. ![Twitter user named "Platypus Man" tweets "His name is Julius because I named him on Wikipedia in 2006 and it caught on"](/data/images/julius_caught_on.png) @@ -22,7 +22,7 @@ Meet "Playpus Man" ([@Platypus222](https://twitter.com/Platypus222)), the person > "Short version is that I made up a name for a mustached snack food mascot, added it to Wikipedia, and over time due to luck and a change of ownership it stuck and the company now claims ownership of it." -WELL... That's a lot to hear, but it should be pretty easy to confirm or deny, Wikipedia has an edit history. So I picked up a "blame" tool and found the exact edit responsible for introducing the word "Julius" [here](https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pringles&diff=prev&oldid=91948521) and lo and behold it was authored by a user named "Platypus222" in 2006, well there we go, we've confirmed it! Well, not quite. The mysterious "Platypus Man" himself also said "Some will claim that the company probably just used it before that but you'll never find proof of that.", so despite his suspious uncited insertation, this *may* have been an existing name, and the addition of "you'll never find proof of that" sounds like a challenge to me. +That's a lot to hear, but it should be pretty easy to confirm or deny, Wikipedia has an edit history after all. So I picked up a "blame" tool and found the exact edit responsible for introducing the word "Julius" [here](https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pringles&diff=prev&oldid=91948521) - it was authored by a user named "Platypus222" in 2006, well there we go, we've confirmed it! Well, not quite. The mysterious "Platypus Man" himself also said *"Some will claim that the company probably just used it before that but you'll never find proof of that."*, so despite his suspious uncited insertation, this *may* have been an existing name, and the addition of "you'll never find proof of that" sounds like a challenge to me. ![Screenshot of the Wikipedia change adding the incited line "The man depicted in the Pringles logo is actually named Julius Pringles."](/data/images/julius_revision.png) @@ -30,8 +30,9 @@ True, it appears *very difficult* to find any source of that name pre-dating tha !["Julius" Pringles on the edge of a drawing](/data/images/pringles_anime.l.png) -The date on the left clearly shows this was uploaded in 2005, ultimately disproving the wacky "hoax" hoax. Interestingly, this appears to be the first upload on this website featuring Pringles to any extent, though that seems to be of little importance. Right? +The date on the left clearly shows this was uploaded in 2005, seemingly disproving this asinine story, albeit in one of the weirdest ways possible. Although, after asking the Platypus about this image, and looking into it more myself, it appears the `julius_pringles` tag appeared around 2021, and the upload date is questionable given the uploader joined the site in 2007. -I actually asked the great Platypus about this weird image, and he correctly pointed out that interestingly, the uploader of the above picture, joined the site in 2007, putting the 2005 date on the Julius image uner question. So unless somebody else can step forth, there is *no* prior usage of the "Julius" name prior to the phony Wikipedia edit. I didn't think think there was any chance I would end my weird little quest by almost entirely confirming this absolutely insane origin story of the "Julius" title, but here we are. +With that out of the way, it truly does seem as if the Wikipedia edit was the original source of this name (**please** contact me if I am wrong), but what the hell can we do about that? Wikipedia has such a concept as [citogenesis](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:List_of_citogenesis_incidents), where an article copying from Wikipedia becomes a source on Wikipedia, concreting falsities, but what if it wasn't an article copying from Wikipedia, what if it was the primary source itself? + +The name "Julius Pringles" appeared in reputable media extremely rarely up until his name became legitimized by the Pringles brand around 2013, which curiously aligns with the Kellogg Company aquisition of Pringles in 2012. Apparently, during their purchase of the brand and collection of all trademarks, they had mixed up a joke on the Wikipedia article as one of their assets, and continued using it. -But it's too late, he may have injected his friend's made up name onto the Wikipedia article, but that name is real now, this is a true, verifiable fact - this is the *real* first name of Mr Pringles. One can only guess the convoluted adventure this falsity took to end up as the official name, but it has already happened, so this is not something that can or should be removed, and is not a real candidate for the mentioned list of citogenesis articles. \ No newline at end of file